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Prince_of_Peace
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04/29/2008 7:45 PM  
Is The honorable Pastor Jeremiah Wright of the Barack Hussein Obama fame who is from The Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago a part of THIS U.C.C.? I just read that he believes that AIDS was invented by the United States of Americas Government as a way to eradicate the minority population. And that word is HIS church believes the same thing. I have been a member of my UCC since I gave my life to Jesus in 2003. I was raised as a Methodist and find the faiths very similar. My wife and I have been teaching at our church with great pride. Do I have to break with the church to save face? Am I going to be associated now as a person who believes the Government I voted for and support is responsible for inventing the AIDS virus to use in the genocide of a race. If this man is a member of The United Church of Christ that I support and it condones his comments and beliefs I am in the wrong denomination for sure. Help me rationalize this. I am sick over all these comments. Peace.
mwc
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04/29/2008 7:57 PM
It embarrasses me to think that a pastor of the United Church of Christ would say such things as Rev. Wright. I don't mind pastors being critical of the policies of the United States, as Dr. King was. My problem with Rev. Wright is he wants to complain about the United States but offer no suggestions or even help in changing what he thinks is wrong. And then to go after one of your own members who is running for president of the United States? Has he lost his mind?
Prince_of_Peace
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04/29/2008 9:29 PM
Posted By mwc on 04/29/2008 7:57 PM
It embarrasses me to think that a pastor of the United Church of Christ would say such things as Rev. Wright. Has he lost his mind?


I agree. I would love to know the official UCC stance on his views. And as a Church body do WE believe in the Aids virus as being a instrument of genocide masterminded by and I quote the Rev. Wright The Imperialistic Government of the United States of America. I await the UCC Church's public denouncing of his statements with embarrassment too. Peace.
raisanbagel
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04/29/2008 10:32 PM
The last time I came to this site, they loved Wright and the president to the UCC church had posted a letter in complete support of him.

The thing I found about my UCC church, in the last four years, is that it became more of a political entity than a spiritual entity. And there was no room for disagreement. I think you either have to be able to suck it up, and ignore the political focus, or stop going to church. I had to stop going to church.

JonAtFaithUCC
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04/29/2008 11:48 PM
Yes, Rev. Wright and his church are part of the UCC and they've been doing, believing, and preaching pretty much the same way for a long, long time while you've been enjoying and benefitting from your own corner of the UCC.

The UCC is not a monolithic entity. It's a diverse collection of churches and worshippers, many who hold differing beliefs of various faith subjects. You could leave because of the retiring Rev. Wright, but then who will teach the children that you've reportedly taught with pride? What about your church community, which led you to Christ five years ago? What gifts will they lose if you and others leave because of the words and actions of another pastor in another church?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't leave. I'm just asking you to consider those with whom you fellowship. People who have nothng to do with Rev. Wright or his message.
Nyren833@gmail.com
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04/30/2008 7:35 AM
I give thanks for Jeremiah Wright. His scholarship, articulate delivery, courageous thinking and his love and faithfulness to God, his church and the United Church of Christ. Jeremiah Wright is a prophet and very few people, throughout history, wanted to listen to prophets. My prayer is that God will give us the grace to listen to and heed the prophecy.
mwc
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04/30/2008 5:39 PM
Posted By Nyren833@gmail.com on 04/30/2008 7:35 AM
Jeremiah Wright is a prophet...


Why do you think Rev. Wright is a prophet?
mwc
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04/30/2008 5:45 PM
Posted By raisanbagel on 04/29/2008 10:32 PM
The thing I found about my UCC church, in the last four years, is that it became more of a political entity than a spiritual entity. And there was no room for disagreement...I had to stop going to church.



Marcus Borg, in his book, "God in 2000", talks about the idea of a church alumni. I no longer attend church because the same ideas keep getting repeated and reason and philosophy have lost their place. It is unfortunate that churches have become a place where everyone has to agree.
Prince_of_Peace
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05/01/2008 10:22 AM
Posted By Nyren833@gmail.com on 04/30/2008 7:35 AM
I give thanks for Jeremiah Wright. His scholarship, articulate delivery, courageous thinking and his love and faithfulness to God, his church and the United Church of Christ. Jeremiah Wright is a prophet and very few people, throughout history, wanted to listen to prophets. My prayer is that God will give us the grace to listen to and heed the prophecy.


There is a troll in every forum, this place proves to be no different. Mr. Wright is a prophet...like Abraham,Isaiah,Moses,Jesus you know..that crowd. Right. What a shame that small minded narrow visioned people like the bigoted Mr. Wright speak for this denomination. He is NOT a profit by ANY stretch of the imagination. He is a bigot,paranoid and should NEVER have been put in charge of a church. I would love the IRS to do a audit of his books. He seems like with his morals he has plenty to hide. I am putting this all behind me. I will continue to teach the children with my bride and we will both do what we need to locally to produce good sound clear headed morals and values. I shun Mr. Wright. Peace.
Prince_of_Peace
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05/01/2008 10:35 AM
Ny833,
You really believe that The United States of Americas covert government project to create the HIV virus and introduce it in Africa was a way for the Government to kill all people of color?

You really believe that Mr. Wright has prophesied this revelation do you? It has been traced by modern science to Men mingling with monkeys in Africa. A sin perhaps? But maybe it is all true and our government has a secret place where white people meet and decide the fate of the modern world? Dear lord how I hate bigotry. The whole world is going to Hell a bit at a time. I can't wait to go to my reward and be done with all this. <><
subear
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05/01/2008 11:35 AM
"It is easy to forgive a child who fears the dark. The true sadness in life is when men fear the light."

- Plato

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iucc
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05/01/2008 7:25 PM
Dear friends, this conversation on Jeremiah Wright is bound to be painful, but I ask you all to avoid "ad hominem" comments and, even when you disagree strongly with another participant, please try to maintain a loving and courteous tone in your comments.

I know this is difficult: many in our church are in pain because of the controversy centering on Pastor Wright, and feelings are raw on every side.

Normally, we don't encourage conversation on church-dividing or "culture-war" issues on i.UCC. We are primarily a community gathered in prayer and a caring community where anyone can find spiritual nourishment. We are not a debating club. But in this case, the controversy has affected so many people and so deeply that we feel this thread should continue -- if, that is, we can express ourselves with patience and self-restraint.

For much sharper debate on this issue, there are opportunities both on uccforums.com and in the "comments" section that follows any Wright-related story on the UCC News Portal. The UCC News Blog is also a place for spirited conversation on the controversy.

Here, please keep in mind that this is a virtual gathering of the church, and we should address each other as we would to our sisters and brothers in our own congregations.

Andy Lang
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ProudDog
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05/02/2008 10:49 AM
It bothered me to hear one particular part of Rev. Wright's comments from the National Press Club breakfast where Rev. Wright said that he wouldn't put it past the US government to do something horrible like create the AIDS virus since their record showed they were capable of such things. It also bothered me to hear that Rev. Wright suggested that Senator Obama had the same thoughts, though secretly. I don't think Rev. Wright or Sen. Obama believe that -- but I'm sure Rev. Wright thinks our history shows we're capable of atrocities. I wonder what opinions the rest of the people in the country have about the US - but keep to ourselves? I hope we can get to the heart of the opinions instead of attacking the opinions themselves.

-Kirk Moore
Ankh
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05/02/2008 11:44 AM
Hey Folks,

I go by "ankh" on i.ucc, but my real name is Dea. I am also one of the usual writers in the Spirit Cafe, and an ordained minister in the UCC. Check out the Cafe's blogs sometime!

I just read everyone's comments below mine to catch up on this "thread." You all raise interesting points. I also appreciate Andy's words of caution to us as we embark on this dialogue/debate, and would add to them that we must also be aware of our cultural and ethnic differences coming to bear. Each of us as a "race" has particular and peculiar ways and mannerisms that come to the fore when we deal with race. We often overlook this fact and plunge right into a discussion where we end up not really hearing one another at all.


That said, I am going to cut and paste something I wrote a while ago that addresses this very issue. I ask that all who read it reflect deeply on what I am saying, because all of us, regardless of perspective, are now called to be ambassadors around racial dialogue in the storm of this controversy. We can do that well only if we equip ourselves with the right tools, of which reason and philosophy is only one. The BIGGEST tool needed for honest racial dialogue is self-knowledge. It is our inability to reconcile our internalized superiority (if we are white) or our internalized inferiority (if we are of color) that often warps and distorts this conversation.

And as I always say, I'd love to hear what you think...

Dea+


PS - The following blog was written on 3/20:

Okay, humor me with one more college story!

All four years at Colgate I lived in a special interest house. Colgate had several of them on and off-campus: Latin American, Peace, Vegetarian, Jewish Studies, to name a few. The one I lived in, the Harlem Renaissance Center (HRC), focused on African and African American art, history and culture. Each of these houses contained enormous cultural treasures.

But there was only one that came under regular, unrelenting attack every year. Harlem Renaissance Center.

At first I didn’t understand why in a university with numerous houses, why our intentional community around Black life was so threatening to white students. We even made enormous efforts to lessen the misperceptions so many Euro-students had.

But we were threatening! Chief among the threats-masked-as-accusations was that we were unwelcoming to non-Blacks, and separatists on a so-called integrated campus. Nothing was further from truth! At least a third of HRC’s residents were other students of color white students. Our collective counter-response that was never acknowledged was that white students and faculty needed to see the many ways they self-segregated on a regular basis as the majority populace. The crosshairs of white racism, cultural difference, and prejudice is a powerful deafening force, however. The proverbial sword of integration-talk between whites and HRC residents never cut both ways at Colgate (and probably still doesn’t). Whites at my alma mater never intended it to.

I could not help but think of this failing experience of “integrated” community as the furor over Rev. Wright’s “inflammatory and hateful” words and his connection to presidential hopeful Barack Obama have been beaten like a dead horse by the media. Thank God (I’ve been told) PBS aired a special on Black Theology! There’s so much about the Black experience in America that is either misunderstood or simply not known, even in 2008. And if one is not acquainted with such things as Black Theology, people like Rev. Wright can be summarily dismissed at a precise moment we need to hear.

Do you know why? I am going to go out on a limb and suggest there is really only one reason, founded on one supremely racist principle: the oppressing group arranges a complex system whereby all Others must know who their dominators are, but the oppressors never have to know who the Other is. Unless they choose to, and even then the relationship is laced with poisons of paternalism, imperialism and exploitation. It’s time for all of us to break this deafening cycle!

For such a Black Church Father as Rev. Wright to therefore speak from his location within the Black (Church) experience, afrocentrism, and Black Theology is doing the same at times painful, responsive call to white America I and other sisters and brothers did at Colgate. Is there anger? Yes. I don’t believe it’s possible to live in America as an African American (to name only one group!) and not struggle with the anger and rage racism inflicts upon our lives daily.

A point must also be made about cultural difference as well. Many of us, Black, white and otherwise, are largely ignorant to the role differences in cultural expression play in how we communicate. Often at Colgate white students bemoaned the fact that they couldn’t communicate well with African Americans about race because we “flap our arms and yell and get so upset.” To be sure, violent anger or rage never leads to anything productive.

But that’s not the same thing as an African-descended people who are passionate about everything we do.

Life has an indivisible whole we live and express in our total being at all times. When African Americans are angry about something, you will see it in our body language more than most ethnic groups. There’s nothing wrong with us. It is a difference from other cultural modes of expression. The solution is not for any of us to extricate parts of who we are to make others comfortable. The awesome task facing our nation is learning how to be a more authentic with each other, where we rise above fears, prejudice, and negative experiences of each other to deeper understandings—and, I hope, solidarity.

There’s so much more to say. I suppose I should try to say something profound about all this tying into Holy Week. The best I can come up with is pointing out that Jesus wanted us to become more like God by becoming more and more authentically human. He died to accomplish that mission. He left us with the Way. If we lack the ability across “races” to hear the radical trust in an Other’s expression of anger or rage, we risk having the Resurrection without the execution. That makes zero sense to me! None of us can get to authenticity – spiritually, politically, socially – without going through the gestation of things within and without that need to die. The Christ, as a faithful Jew, had to have heard the Song of Songs echo somewhere deep. Deep as death took him. Deep as Life claimed him.

Remember, therefore, the Song’s imperative: Love is strong as death. Death is inevitable and comes for all. But so is and does Life. It is our only Easter hope.


What do you think?


Dea+

"I was born when all I once feared--I could love."
Rabia of Basra, "Die Before You Die"
LoveOneAnother?
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05/03/2008 9:27 AM
I am very disturbed by Rev. Wright's comments and behavior, given that he touts himself as a messenger of God. Black people have and continue to suffer oppression, but a so-called man of God must speak about those things in the context of the Biblical mandate of love. The Bible says that we should love our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use us. However, Rev. Wright has stirred up hate and anger toward communities that aren't black. He has used profanity in the pulpit. He has judged America when the New Testament tells us to judge not lest we be judged. He has damned America when the Bible asks us instead to pray for our leaders. I understand Wright may have been hurt by Obama, but as a man of God, a friend, and an elderly man setting an example for others to follow, Wright should have loved Obama enough not to publicly hurt him. Now Obama can say he was wounded in the house of his friend--Wright has followed in the footsteps of Judas Iscariot by turning on Obama. I don't know why the UCC has allowed Wright to stay in the pulpit. So what if Wright has fed the hungry. Do you not know the Bible parable that says there will be many who call Jesus Lord, but will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Why? Because they never knew the Lord, Jesus said. How do we know those who know the Lord? Jesus told us we would know them by their fruit. Wright's fruit is hate and anger and lack of self-control, not love, joy, peace, etc. as outlined in the book of Galatians. Wright should be publicly reprimanded. He has brought shame on the whole house of God.
Tomixoxo
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05/03/2008 10:39 AM
I am so proud to be part of the UCC, a place where we can debate and agree to disagree and then break bread together. I pray we are aware that whether we reject the words of Rev Wright or anyone else posted here that we are all a necessary part of the body of Christ. We are created in the image of God and we are to Love One Another. I cannot change anyone but myself so before I preach for another to act in love I must first be loving. Are we going to get stained by the mud the world is trying to drag us through by turning on each other. It will be my prayer that we all stop and breath and not get caught up in the frenzy. Amen
Ankh
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05/04/2008 11:32 PM
Wow...well, in this one thread Rev. Dr. Wright has been called both a "prophet" and "Judas Iscariot." I wonder if there is a middle road between those two polar opposites? Like regarding him as a very human, 20th century Black man now in this century where race still afflicts every aspect of American life? I think people are trying to say that in their own words--without trying to excuse or diminish the unsettling impact of words, phrases and statements he has made.

I would particularly recommend readers to check out Bill Moyers' PBS transcript on the dangers of simplifying the volatile complexities of our times as it relates to all of this: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05022008/transcript.html. Maybe wisdom such as Moyer's will help guide us all (and thanks to my colleagues who pointed this out to me!).

LoveOneAnother, I hear what you say about the love ethic of the New Testament and the Christ. Not speaking for or even about Wright, I must say that, as a Black man and UCC minister, I struggle with how and when love becomes applied when I am confronted personally or systemically with racism. It is hard sometimes to know, especially when a white sister or brother in Christ tells me to put more love in my justice, if we are headed down yet another road of white privilege silencing me at a critical moment when the Holy Spirit compels me to speak the truth as I see it, or if in fact I am hearing the God-in-you opening my eyes to something I have not perceived before. It always feels like a tough tightrope to walk--and if I am honest with you all--I am more likely to trust a white sister or brother if I feel them making the same degree of effort to evolve their own self-understanding and racial consciousness. It is still often the case that social projects meant to reduce or eradicate racism never break through tired dynamics of people of color doing the lionshare of self-work. This guarantees an unchanged reality. The very thought of such an unchanged reality is unbearable for most African Americans.

But enough from me. What do you think?

Dea+

"I was born when all I once feared--I could love."
Rabia of Basra, "Die Before You Die"
churchyouth
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05/06/2008 8:12 AM
Please people, do not jump all over the whole denomination for what one person says or does.  The UCC is great because of our acceptance of ALL and our diversity of opinion, beliefs, etc.  That said, do not fall prey to snippits of information-  you must look at the situation as a whole- one little piece of a speech or sermon does not sum up a whole ministry.  Be sure you are not making judgements on the little information the media is providing.  Make informed decisions about a situation after you have researched, studied and prayed, not after a 30 second teaser on Fox news.
rebcamuse
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05/07/2008 12:53 PM
"Prince of Peace"--

On what basis do you think Rev. Wright speaks for the whole of the UCC?  He is one pastor, of one congregation.  And I'd gather he doesn't even speak for his entire congregation. 

I think you will find that none of the synod literature, internet information, or other ports of info about our denomination support Rev. Wright's kind of thinking.  As someone else pointed out, the UCC is not monolithic and our struggles with diversity speak to our courage to remain unified.  This is similar to what the Anglican/Episcopal communities are dealing with as well.

Jeremiah Wright spoke as an individual.  Yes, there are some who will see him as a representative of the denomination as a whole, but that would be because that's what they want to see.  The amount of information that contradicts that mindset is so great, that defining our denomination by this man is just fodder for opportunists.

The mere existence of the forums, here and elsewhere, already show that we are focused on dialogue, not judgement.  I'm asking you in faith to believe in your denomination and help us reinforce what we do best. :-)

rebecca

Rebecca M
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Max
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05/08/2008 1:59 PM
I am proud that our Southern Association of the NYConference has passed a statement of support to the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright. Also, that a congregation I served for more than two years in Long Island has also written Trinity church letters of support.

As people of the UCC, let us continue to "covenant" with one another to accept all people as God has accepted us in Christ.

I realize that most congregations in the UCC are "white". I sadly recall many years ago, that when I candidated in a congregation, the chairperson of the search committee, unwittingly commented, after a successful interview, "Why do you want to minister in an 'all-white' cpongregation like ours? Don't you think you would be more effective ministering to your own ethnic (I am Asian-American) group?"

I also recall sadly how once, in a congregation I served, a family was unable to accept me as their "asian" pastor, because one of their relatives was taken prisoner by Japanese soldiers during the Second World War.
They simply worshipped in a neighboring town. It was the pastor of that church that told me why they had stopped worshipping in our church.

On another occasion, a parishioner who was also a church offer in a congregation I served had difficulties with having me officiate at her husband's funeral.
Without consulting me, she contacted a clergy colleague to do the funeral. And this clergy colleage --without consulting me -- agreed to officiate at the funeral.

Racism among us is real, and dealing with differences can be very trying indeed. But, we must deal and struggle with this--if we are indeed true to our identity as people of the "United Church of Christ".

"The measure of love is to love without measure." St. Augustin
Ankh
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05/08/2008 2:08 PM
Max,

Thanks so much for saying your words so powerfully. It helped me feel less alone in explaining a similar dynamic from my own experiences. I hope more sisters and brothers of color will "lift" their voices here, because I think we have a significant perspective our white family members in Christ need to hear.

Blessings, everyone, and let's keep the conversation going!


Dea+

"I was born when all I once feared--I could love."
Rabia of Basra, "Die Before You Die"
rebcamuse
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05/08/2008 2:21 PM
I feel I should clarify my own position, especially in light of the most recent postings by Ankh and Max.

I do not take issue with Rev. Wright's assertion that racism is alive and well in our country.  Just as I supported Sen. Obama's assertion of the same.  However, I do find a stunning difference in tactics, and the divisive nature of Rev. Wright's words offend me and I think move us just further away from unity.  That is an opinion I've formed after reading extensively about Wright's comments and reading those comments in context.  I'm entitled to it, just as Max is entitled to his own opinion.

Ankh,  it is possible that some of your "white family members in Christ" might already share your perspective?  I note that you did not say "some of."  Should I assume that as a man, you have no perspective on sexism and that as a "male family member in Christ" you need to educated about the trials of being a woman in a male dominated society?

I'm not meaning to harp on you.  I'm pointing out, however, that dialogue needs to preclude assumptions about large groups of people, i.e. "white family members" and "sisters and brothers of color."  Isn't that partially what got us here in the first place?

Yours,
Rebecca



Rebecca M
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Ankh
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05/08/2008 2:37 PM
Hey Rebecca,

Thanks also for all your comments to date. As for what I've written, first let me say that as an iguide of i.ucc I am trying my best to encourage dialogue on this thorny and complicated issue as regards our diverse church and all the feelings about Rev. Dr. Wright. I certainly have not made any promises to do so perfectly! But I have agreed to try.

Second, I am sure not just some but many white folks in the UCC share my perspective. That said, however, I do not think that means they should not hear again and also be reminded of the perspectives I and other UCCers of color have. So yes, I guess I am making the assumption that no one has completely risen above their racism because the systemic reality still exists. The same assumption applies to myself, in my mind, on issues of sexism and patriarchy. While I consider myself fairly "schooled" and self-aware of the numerous issues feminists and womanists warn us men about, I know full well that does not mean I will at some point completely rise above my social location as a 21st century Black man in America. Like all "isms," sexism is too systemic to be free of it until the system that birthed it is undone. I have long accepted the fact that I am at times sexist due to my male privilege in a still-patriarchal world. That awareness does not load me with guilt, however. It just prompts me to keep trying to rise above the power of the "ism." I think that's the best any of us can do on any "ism."

What's ironic to me, though, is that I have encountered many white folks who cannot say the same thing about their racism in the context of a racist world. So many get stuck on the extreme images of racism's more violent manifestations (burning crosses, white hoods, lynch-burnings, etc) that they seem to associate the racism within with those extremities. I find this to be a significant stumbling block to race relations as well as what I have posted before.

What do you think?

Dea+

"I was born when all I once feared--I could love."
Rabia of Basra, "Die Before You Die"
rebcamuse
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05/08/2008 3:00 PM
Dea,

I appreciate your words here because I think they are exemplary manifestations of practicing what you preach. :-)  I absolutely agree that ignorance does abound, but if we outline that ignorance along color lines I think we might also be adding fuel to the proverbial fire.  That said, however, the reality is that yes, most people who either a) don't believe racism exists or b) see it as the extremes only, are probably from ethnic and cultural groups that aren't particularly oppressed (at least not because of their race).

I am not immune.  I know I have biases and I hate it.  I work terribly hard to rid myself of these pre-conceived notions, but it isn't easy. I am educated and have not been isolated from other ethnic groups (in fact, in the neigborhood where I lived as a teenager, and my mother still lives, whites are a minority)...yet, there are sticking points. 

The neighborhood where I live now is largely Brazilian.  I feel saddened that any development that isn't Brazilian/Portuguese speaking is labeled "gentrification."  I'd like to see efforts on both sides, so that I can feel comfortable shopping in the Brazilian market and the Brazilian contingent will come to the same coffee shop I go to.  Within the next year I hope to start learning Portuguese (I already speak Spanish) so that I can start this process--even if it only means being able to communicate with the woman who runs the laundromat that I go to.

Anyway, I'm wandering a bit in this post because there is so much food for thought here.  I would say that my real caution in terms of talking about "groups" of oppressed people is that it fuels the idea of "other" just as much as racism does. There are plenty of whites, for example, who are oppressed because of their gender or sexual preference, or economic status.  In the end, I'd like to see us work toward color blindness.  It may not be possible and I probably wont see it fulfilled (for myself or in the world) in my lifetime, but I yearn for the innocence I had as a child, when playmates were simply playmates, no matter what color, gender, etc.  I don't want to feel my heart beat faster when I see a group of large African-American men walking toward me on a street late at night.  I want to be able to assess situations like that outside of racial stereotypes.  I can talk about equality and believe in it, but I still have that tiny seed deep inside of me which is so hard to get rid of.  But if we acknowledge, as you have, each other's struggles, I think we can help get there---if not for ourselves, than for the next generation.

In sum, my real beef with Rev. Wright is that I don't think the "blame game" is particularly constructive or helpful at this point--not for those who are already working on it, and not for those who need to learn about it.

In peace,
Rebecca

Rebecca M
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05/14/2008 5:23 PM
As a white male, I guess a lot of people think that I should find Dr. Wright's comments offensive.  Out of context, I might.  But in context, and in whole (not in 30 second parts) there is more that I agree with than disagree.  I also feel strongly that a man is measured by more than his words, and Wright's actions (faith and service to his church and community) are inspiring. 

Throwing him to the wolves is the easiest of responses, but also one of the most ignorant.  Instead, I think we should all ask ourselves, "What is true about what Dr. Wright has said?"  From his persepctive, there is bound to be truths there. 

Lastly, I was struck by somthing Dr. Wright said during his interview with Bill Moyers.  He mentioned the influence Marty Martin had on him, and said that Marty said "You know, you come into the average church on a Sunday morning and you think you've stepped from the real world into a fantasy world. And what do I mean by that?" He said pick up the church bulletin. You leave a world, Vietnam, or today you leave a world, Iraq, over 4,000 dead, American boys and girls, 100,000, 200,000 depending on which count, Iraqi dead. Afghanistan, Darfur, rapes in the Congo, Katrina, Lower Ninth Ward, that's the world you leave. And you come in; you pick up your church bulletin. It says, there is a ladies tea on second Sunday. The children's choir will be doing. He said, "How come our bulletins, how come the faith preached in our churches does not relate to the world in which our church members leave at the benediction?"

There is more to Rev. Wright than a few clips can ever show.  We know this to be true by way of so many other examples.  We ought to remain faithful to our deepest experiences about such issues, relying on what God may have to say to us about such controversies, rather than political pundits. 
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Learn more about the UCC's past and present, and the future of our "united and uniting church" which we hope will include you! We've got blogs, videos and a discussion space where you can ask questions about the church—and about this online community. UCC members are also welcome!

Opening the Bible
We believe that when you explore the Bible, you don't have to check your mind at the door—or your curiosity. Scripture can do great harm when used as a weapon, but it also opens a door to the story of God's loving relationship with humanity.

Spirit Café
We invite you to an interactive space for spiritual inquiry and exploration. Learn about new and ancient spiritual practices, and share your spiritual journey with others on a quest like yours.

Prayer Chapel
End your day with a simple, quiet, meditative experience of evening prayer. We gather in our virtual Prayer Chapel every night at 9 p.m. (Eastern). At all other times, you're welcome to post your prayer requests in our Prayer Chapel Forum.


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